French
203 mm/50 (8") Model 1924
Updated 22 July 2007

A new design used on most of France's Treaty Cruisers in twin turrets.  Also used in a special lightweight twin mounting on the submarine Surcouf.

This weapon was of simple construction with a thick autofretted A tube, shrunk jacket and breech ring.  The Welin breech-block opened upwards.

Actual bore diameter was 20.30 cm (7.992").

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Heavy Cruiser Dupleix in 1940
Ministère de la Défense Photograph

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Gun Characteristics
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Designation 203 mm/50 (8") Model 1924
Ship Class Used On Duquesne, Suffren and Surcouf classes
Date Of Design 1924
Date In Service 1928
Gun Weight 20.389 tons (20.716 mt)
Gun Length oa 413.4 in (10.5 m)
Bore Length 399.6 in (10.150 m)
Rifling Length 319.8 in (8.122 m)
Grooves (60) 0.75 in deep x 0.295 in (1.9 mm x 7.5 mm)
Lands 0.118 in (3.0 mm)
Twist Uniform RH 1 in 25.59
Chamber Volume 5,595 in3 (91.682 dm3)
Rate Of Fire Cruisers:  4 - 5 rounds per minute

Surcouf:  3 rounds per minute

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Ammunition
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Type Bag
Projectile Types and Weights APC M1936 - 295 lbs. (134 kg)
Other APC and HE were of several types and weighed 271.4 to 272.98 lbs. (123.1 to 123.82 kg)
Bursting Charge APC M1936 - N/A
Other APC - about 8.7 lbs. (4.0 kg)
HE - about 18.2 lbs. (8.3 kg)
Projectile Length APC M1936 - 38.2 in (97 cm)
Others - 39.6 in (100.5 cm)
Propellant Charge 103.6 lbs. (47 kg) BM 13
Muzzle Velocity APC M1936 - 2,690 fps (820 mps)
APC - 2,789 fps (850 mps)
Working Pressure APC M1936 - about 19.0 tons/in2 (3,000 kg/cm2)
APC - 20.3 tons/in2 (3,200 kg/cm2)
Approximate Barrel Life about 600 rounds
Ammunition stowage per gun Surcouf:  300 rounds
Others:  N/A
Note:  The propellant charge was in halves.
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Range
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Elevation With 271.4 lbs. (123.1 kg) APC Shells
Range @ 45 degrees 34,340 yards (31,400 m)
Range @ 30 degrees 30,620 yards (28,000 m)
Elevation With 295 lbs. (134 kg) APC M1936 Shells
Range @ 45 degrees about 32,800 yards (30,000 m)
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Mount / Turret Data
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Designation Cruiser Two-gun Turret
   Duquesne (4) and Suffren (4):  Model 1924

Submarine Twin Mounting
   Surcouf (1):  Model 1929

Weight  Model 1924:  177 tons (180 mt)

Model 1929:  N/A

Elevation Model 1924:  -5 / +45 degrees

Model 1929:  -5 / +30 degrees

Elevation Rate Model 1924:  about 10 degrees per second

Model 1929:  N/A

Train Model 1924:  about +150 / -150 degrees

Model 1929:  about +11 / -11 degrees

Train Rate Model 1924:  6 degrees per second

Model 1929:  N/A

Gun recoil 27.5 in (70 cm)
Loading Angle -5 / +10 degrees
Notes:

1) Model 1924 used catapult rammers cocked by the recoil forces.

2) Model 1929 could open fire within 2.5 minutes after the submarine surfaced.

3) Model 1924 gun axes were 74 in (188 cm) apart while those in Model 1929 were about 104 in (264 cm) apart.

4) Model 1924 used a 22.5 hp electric training motor with hydraulic drive and was equipped for RPC.  Each gun used a 30 hp elevating electric motor and the guns could be coupled together.  However, RPC for elevation was not fitted.

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Data from
"Warship Volume VII" article by Francis J. Allen
"Naval Weapons of World War Two" by John Campbell
"Navies of the Second World War - The French Navy" by Henri le Masson
"Cruisers of World War Two" by M.J. Whitley
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